【转帖】gdt corrective action

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gd&t corrective action.
hello everyone,
               i need to know the way on how to initiate corrective action on drafters that do not use gd&t properly.
thank you.   
you and everyone else on this forum.
v
mechanical engineer
"when i am working on a problem, i do not think of beauty, but when i've finished, if the solution is not beautiful, i know it is wrong."
- r. buckminster fuller
seriously though, in what context are you referring? what drafting standard does your company employ? has there ever been any formal gd&t training at your company?
there are many different ways to answer your question. a little more information is necessary.
v
mechanical engineer
"when i am working on a problem, i do not think of beauty, but when i've finished, if the solution is not beautiful, i know it is wrong."
- r. buckminster fuller
well, having the drawings checked by someone that does know it and correcting/teaching them one mistake/case at a time is one way.
making training available also has it's place as does having access to the standards and reference experts etc.  this could be extended to getting them certified (in gd&t not looney bin).
they may also need to have explained to them why to use gc&t, this should at least form part of training.
if after this,  they are still do not gradually start to get better then perhaps disciplinary action should be considered especially if it's apparant that it's just because they don't like doing it/aren't making an effort or something; not that they are still learning.
this assumes that your company policy is to use gd&t and that they know this and that management will enforce it.
an alternative may be moving them into a position that doesn't require drafting.
a lot of our engineers don't like using it, as some of my posts allude to.  they have had some training but it was a while ago and some of them haven't really applied it since.  our 'expert' got laid off in june and now i'm the 'expert'.  this is a problem as i don't have any formal training and certainly no certification.  talk about blind leading the blind.
compounding that we have limited management backing it's an uphill battle.
kenat, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
bleed, bleed, bleed all over their check prints.  refuse to approve them until they are correct.
of course, as kenat points out, this requires having a checker knowledgable in proper drafting and gd&t.
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bleed, bleed, bleed all over their check prints.  refuse to approve them until they are correct.
of course, as kenat points out, this requires having a checker knowledgable in proper drafting and gd&t.
  if they have any smarts they will get the point after a couple of check prints
heckler   
sr. mechanical engineer
swx 2007 sp 4.0 & pro/e 2001
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this post contains no political overtones or undertones for that matter and in no way represents the poster's political agenda.
heckler, you'd think.  people round here don't work like that.
some claim that they're too smart!
by the way, if anyone has a sure fire way, especially when management support is limited i'd love to hear it too.
kenat, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
thank you all for your reply.the key issue here is management support.do we have any ?
so,how you will start with the rca itself ?
drafter not paying attention on y14.5 std's,or ?   
you will always have some of them either not get gd&t or not use it. get them trained professionaly, then have monthly classes onsite until they have a feel for it. then beat it into them.
chris
solidworks 07 4.0/pdmworks 07
autocad 06
rca?  required corrective action?
are you asking how we'd write up the employee, what wording we'd use?
not sure this is the correct forum and it may depend a lot on local employment rules and company disciplinary procedures etc.
before you can discipline you must have made it known that it is a requirement that all drawings comply to asme y14.5m-1994 & related standards and make use of gd&t (you can arguably comply with the standard without using fcf etc due to all the shoulds instead of shalls and such like).  if they did not claim when they joined the company that they already knew the standards then you probably need to make a good faith effort on the training too.
assuming these are covered then first step might be writing them up for not complying with the company policy that all drawings comply to asme y14.5m-1994 & related standards and make use of gd&t.
the result of this would perhaps be requiring them to sign something saying that they understand that y14.5m-1994 is to be followed (copy in their personel file) and require them to attend training (arranged by/paid for by the company).
if after this they don't comply then you ramp it up till the eventually get fired if they don't make a good effort to comply.
however, if you don't know if you have management support, why bother.  you'll just upset people without achieving anything and may place your position in jeopardy.  this is the situation i'm in.   
kenat, probably the least qualified checker you'll ever meet...
rmaki, your original post makes no sense to me.  if you have any standards/sop/procedures in-place at your company, you should be referring to them on how to submit a corrective action in your system.
if you are looking for specific wording for your corrective action:
"inadequate training in the application of asme y14.5m-1994 has resulted in..."
this makes it a training issue, stressing that training is required, new drafters won't fix the problem.
"art without engineering is dreaming; engineering without art is calculating."