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step on surface allowance?
i have a stamped part with a suface height requirement of .380/.365". in order to acheive this on the non-flat part after stamping, the supplier milled the face leaving a .005" step part way across the suface. dimensionally the part meets the requirment, but i consider the step unacceptable for function of mating part. i cannot find anything in y14.5m/gd&t to support my case with supplier. do we really need to call out something as simple as "no steps permitted" or specifiy a flatness tolerance on all our drawings?
check out our whitepaper library.
the short answer to your final question is "yes". if your tolerance allows steps and you don't want them, you need to say it. there is a way to eliminate this according to the new standard. see the following tip:
you may also note a surface finish or roughness, or both.
chris
solidworks 09, catia v5
gskmp,
perhaps you could post a drawing of your part and allow us to offer some advice on how to correctly apply gd&t. it's possible there are other issues with the print that may rear their ugly heads the next time you have these parts made.
powerhound, gdtp t-0419
production manager
inventor 2009
mastercam x3
smartcam 11.1
ssg, u.s. army
taji, iraq oif ii
see p.162 at the end of para. 6.4.2.1.1 for an example of how to apply flatness on a unit basis per the 1994 standard. this will prevent your problem from happening again.
in case you were interested; by default, your flatness error could have been up to .015 and the part would still have been good and/or it could have been out of parallel by .015 and still been good unless you had a parallel callout and a datum that it was tied to. did you have any datum structure and gd&t applied to the part at all?
powerhound, gdtp t-0419
production manager
inventor 2009
mastercam x3
smartcam 11.1
ssg, u.s. army
taji, iraq oif ii
i was just looking for an opportunity to hold the supplier accountable. appears i am out of luck. i'll update this forty year old drawing to correct this and look at other potential issues. thanks for your advice.
asme y14.5 and its predecessors were written to clear up issues like these. the standard was born out of a multitude of mid-20th century lawsuits.
matt lorono
cad engineer/ecn analyst
silicon valley, ca

2009-09-05, 01:09 PM	#1
huangyhg 超级版主注册日期: 04-03 帖子: 18592 精华: 36 现金: 249466 标准币资产: 1080358888 标准币	step on surface allowance step on surface allowance? i have a stamped part with a suface height requirement of .380/.365". in order to acheive this on the non-flat part after stamping, the supplier milled the face leaving a .005" step part way across the suface. dimensionally the part meets the requirment, but i consider the step unacceptable for function of mating part. i cannot find anything in y14.5m/gd&t to support my case with supplier. do we really need to call out something as simple as "no steps permitted" or specifiy a flatness tolerance on all our drawings? check out our whitepaper library. the short answer to your final question is "yes". if your tolerance allows steps and you don't want them, you need to say it. there is a way to eliminate this according to the new standard. see the following tip: you may also note a surface finish or roughness, or both. chris solidworks 09, catia v5 gskmp, perhaps you could post a drawing of your part and allow us to offer some advice on how to correctly apply gd&t. it's possible there are other issues with the print that may rear their ugly heads the next time you have these parts made. powerhound, gdtp t-0419 production manager inventor 2009 mastercam x3 smartcam 11.1 ssg, u.s. army taji, iraq oif ii see p.162 at the end of para. 6.4.2.1.1 for an example of how to apply flatness on a unit basis per the 1994 standard. this will prevent your problem from happening again. in case you were interested; by default, your flatness error could have been up to .015 and the part would still have been good and/or it could have been out of parallel by .015 and still been good unless you had a parallel callout and a datum that it was tied to. did you have any datum structure and gd&t applied to the part at all? powerhound, gdtp t-0419 production manager inventor 2009 mastercam x3 smartcam 11.1 ssg, u.s. army taji, iraq oif ii i was just looking for an opportunity to hold the supplier accountable. appears i am out of luck. i'll update this forty year old drawing to correct this and look at other potential issues. thanks for your advice. asme y14.5 and its predecessors were written to clear up issues like these. the standard was born out of a multitude of mid-20th century lawsuits. matt lorono cad engineer/ecn analyst silicon valley, ca __________________ 借用达朗贝尔的名言：前进吧，你会得到信心! [url="http://www.dimcax.com"]几何尺寸与公差标准[/url]